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Ep 20 Transcript
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It’s honestly just a matter of acting.
Action creates reaction, whether it be positive, negative, that’s totally.
Up to your choosing.
That’s New Zealand explorer Brenda Jovic and this is re frame of mind.
The podcast that cuts through the platitudes and gets to the core of living, authentically challenging our assumptions and improving mental health with the guidance of good science, philosophy and learning from other people’s lived experiences.
We’re your hosts.
Andy, Leroy and Louise Poole.
We’ve covered a fair bit of ground since we started out 19 episodes ago, Andy.
Cool, you’re wrong.
And here’s cheese for episode 20.
Oh, did we get the champagne glasses?
I’ve got a coffee cup over here.
There you go.
There’s your champagne.
That’s my cheers.
You know when we started the series of re frame of mind, I think we we came from a place.
Where we were.
Fragile at the very start and I.
Don’t want to go too far back in?
Our recap here because 20.
Episodes in I’m I’m happy to leave a lot of that trauma.
The insight you know suffice to say that the fragility with you’d start out with.
Was you’d left a career of 20 years in radio?
I’d lost my dad and there are other things that happened.
A lot of other things that happen around both of those scenarios for both of us and it’s all there in episodes one through 19, and I think it’s nice to be able.
To sort of.
Say that we were living there behind.
Yeah, this is.
This is our throwback saying.
If you’ve missed our other 19 episodes of trauma, there’s plenty more.
For you to catch up.
Starting in the conversation.
Exactly, you’re a neutral point.
Along the way we spoke to I think was episode 12.
We spoke to Derek McManus, who he was a police officer.
He used to do the tactical stuff and he was shot in the line of duty and he since came up with this model for human durability.
Based on his.
Experiences where we go from being fragile to being in our comfort zone, to being durable and.
We’ve actually been using this a lot, haven’t we?
Yeah for me, but easily like it.
Had a really big impact on the way I viewed this kind of stuff.
You know, because Derek insight into the difference in between.
Resilience and durability.
Really worth a listen.
I wouldn’t say that we’re at a point of durability quite yet, but you know, I think it’s fair to say that we both feel like we’ve now got.
An idea of.
What that looks like and that we feel better prepared as we now start to push past our comfort zones.
You know making this series was a big one for me because I felt all these things about racing details.
My personal life, my personal story.
And we’ve both gone through different stay.
Images of whatever you know through establishing our own business as well so you don’t live in a vacuum, it just keeps coming at us.
Which means it feels like a great time to introduce some new questions about what happens when we head down a path of completely uncharted territory.
’cause that’s where we are.
Yeah, definitely we have not been business owners before.
No, we’ve only ever worked for somebody else, and being a business owner comes with its own set of unique challenges.
It does and those unique challenges also include us facing our personal demons.
Still in that context.
So you know, and it’s kind of good, I think to get some context from somebody else who has put themselves right out of their comfort zone, because that’s where resilience is built and where durability also forms.
So Brenda Yelovich perfect example.
Uh, New Zealand explorer.
Who’s walked around the perimeter of New Zealand, ridden a bicycle across eastern continent.
He is no stranger to coming face to face with the worst case scenario and pushing himself outside his comfort zone.
Yeah, what I think is what I did before I turned 30.
What Brenda is done before he.
Still don’t want to play that comparison games so.
In August 20, 1419, year old Brando was the first person to walk the coastline of New Zealand, and that’s 8700 kilometres into that in 600 days.
I’m exhausted just thinking about going to the.
Since then, Brandos completed numerous self supported adventures around the globe, including surviving in the wilderness of Stewart Island, which covered 570 kilometers in 30 days.
Yeah man, he has actually covered some caves in his time. He also skied 600 kilometres across the Greenland ice cap in 33 days.
He hopped on his kayak for just.
A quick 72 day 4007.
180 kilometer paddle.
Around Vancouver Island, which is the largest island in the West Coast of the?
I had no idea there was such a big islands. Anyway, back to 2019 for a second, Brando was the first person to cycle across the continent of Australia, from West to east, covering 5555 kilometres across all of our deserts in 130 days.
Exhausted just hearing about those achievements.
I think I’ve lost 10 kilos, just without clothes.
Brenda has produced three books which he says he found remarkable due to the impact of dyslexia and ADHD. His best selling book, Wild Boy, details his trek around New Zealand coastline. It was awarded the 2016 Children and Young Adults Choice Award.
And better doesn’t.
Does to help others see their worth and realize that they too are capable of amazing things?
Yeah, his aim with his work is.
To lower depression rates by being a powerful and relatable voice.
So Brenda sees himself as an ordinary person.
Believe it or.
Not, and we.
I’d I’d I do ’cause we spoke to him.
But he is quite extraordinary.
I know, right?
Sorry yeah, so he sees himself as an ordinary person doing extraordinary things, which I think is remarkable in itself.
It’s driven by passion and love rather than Igor money, and you know, as he will reveal in the interview, he firmly believes he makes.
His own luck.
So where do you start?
With someone who’s done so much.
In life already.
We imagined for someone who embarked on a walk around the entire coast of New Zealand, that he must have had a real connection with nature and a love for walking.
I hate walking.
Did you hate it before you started?
Yeah yeah, I I was definitely like, you know, I lived about 5 minutes walk from McDonald’s, but I would always drive there when I was growing up.
That was my understanding of dinner as like fast food so I didn’t really know how to cook very well.
I didn’t like walking and.
I didn’t really even want to go into it walking originally I was going to run and that didn’t really work out because I got shin splints from training and as soon as I put the pack on my back I realized it was impossible.
The other side of it was I was on the benefit I had no.
Money I had no support.
All the sponsors that I would contact all said no, you’re crazy or there’s too many guns in this world and not enough doors.
And and that just gave me more fuel to.
My fire I.
I wanted to prove them wrong as well.
So I reached.
That point where I was just like there is no one that’s going to help me.
I’m the only person that’s going to do this.
Walking was my only option.
The whole point of the expedition or the journey wasn’t to walk around New Zealand.
It was too in the beginning.
Find myself, yeah, I was so lost.
I was depressed.
I didn’t know who I was.
I didn’t know who I was meant to be.
I just I felt so separate from everything and everyone else.
And so it was a journey.
Of self discovery and when I set off the connection to nature that I’d never had the connection to like the oceans, the people that I was made.
All these elements of pure and natural existence, like from an animalistic point of view, what we were meant to be like as humans, it all started coming out and I started reconnecting with my instinctual side.
The side that we all have inside us that our ancestors, you know.
The only reason we’re here today is because of our ancestors.
And the things they they learned and.
So here I was living this very instinctual primal life hunting and fishing for for all my own food and connecting with nature in a way that I truly can’t even begin to describe.
And that whole experience really taught me one key thing.
And you know, I sit in the beginning of this, that I was trying to find myself.
And the truth is, you you don’t find yourself.
It doesn’t matter how hard, high, low, or or where you look, it’s it’s.
You know it’s creating yourself.
That’s that’s how you get somewhere in life.
That’s how you change is like creating new growth.
Just being this new version.
Of yourself by doing the things that you love.
You know I have ADHD and structures, not something that I do well building into my life.
It’s pretty clear Brando wasn’t some rich kid who just decided to go on a nice walk one day to conquer the world.
His reason to walk came from a deeper motivation to know himself.
I feel like I was the trauma of my youth.
You know I didn’t have any really gnarly traumatic things happen to me except for the fact that I lived with ADHD at a time where ADHD was.
This fake thing that was the you know the naughty kid and so.
I I was.
Always forced to kind of be pushed to the back of the classroom.
Or, you know, I never got the help that I needed in order to succeed in in the system, and so.
As I got older, I.
Rebelled from that and didn’t want any part of it and fell into.
Not necessarily the crowd that like the wrong crowd, but I fell into the crowd of people who were just like me.
You know they’d.
Slip through the gaps and in the system then they’ve gone down the wrong path and so there I was.
I was, you know, 1718 years old addicted to drugs. I lived to get high and if I wasn’t high I didn’t want to live.
And I realized one day you know, after.
I had quite a drug fueled rage trying to get some drugs and ended up having a fight in the middle of the street.
I I realize that this isn’t who my parents raised me to be.
You know, I have a wonderful parents that stood by me through lots of thickness.
And I reached that point where I was just like I don’t want to be this person.
This isn’t the person that I was raised to be.
It’s not the person I want to.
Be and my.
Entire life I had had to change things myself.
There was never someone giving me a leg up and changing things for me.
There was lots of people.
Crying but but I realized that you know, unless it came from me unless it.
Was my own idea.
Then nothing was ever going to come of any decision that I had made and there I was, and I did.
I made that decision to change my life.
I told him my friends I was gonna walk the entire coastline in New Zealand and they told me it was crazy and that it was impossible and I just thought you know why not?
Why not just go and do something?
That everyone else thinks is impossible just because I can, because I want to.
I had a lot to prove, not to anyone else other than myself, but I wanted to prove to.
To me that I was capable of achieving absolutely anything that I put my mind to and that was my choice.
My choice was to walk around New Zealand and and I set my goal and one step at a time.
I I completed that journey.
Has the motivation changed since that initial walk?
Because he didn’t set out to walk around the land, but he did, and since then you’ve cycled from the westernmost point at the East and West Point of Australia.
You’ve been across the Greenland ice cap.
You’ve actually kayaked around Vancouver Island.
What was your motivation for the incident?
You know, I realized after that first journey there that there was no coming back.
There was, you know, I’d changed myself.
I’d seen a new side of life that not many people have the opportunity to experience, and I’d experience what it was like to live, not needing anything.
I was completely self.
Client and so I had become my own motivation and the motivation to carry on was.
I guess it was almost chemical based.
You know, like it was instinctual.
I I had to keep going.
I had to keep on going for my for my mental Wellness.
You know, if I stopped I would feel lost and I would feel stuck and like I wasn’t achieving something.
’cause every single day.
I was achieving every no, not even day.
Every moment I was achieving and and so when I came back from that first journey there was a whirlwind of media and I wrote a book and there was all these amazing opportunities for me.
But once that kind of died down, I was stuck in this position of.
Well, what do I do now?
You know I can’t go and.
Get a normal job.
It just didn’t work for me, so the motivation to continue was.
I was still running, you know, I was still running away from a side of myself that I didn’t really even know that I needed.
To deal with.
I was still living in shame of the traumatic version of myself that I was growing up as a child.
You know, this very uncontrollable, abusive young boy who was just confused.
Stuck with this, you know with ADHD, which at the time was this horrible horrible thing that you know just ruled my life?
And so the motivation.
Switched from finding myself creating myself to working through all of my traumas so that I didn’t have to be held back by myself.
The motivation became to be of my own liking and so every journey that I went on was about learning and understanding and really deepening knowledge.
Of self and and love for self.
At this point, Brandos motivation is sounding really close to our own motivation to make this podcast, which was to deepen our knowledge of ourselves and help other people do the same, but where our worst case scenario looks, something like not getting enough listeners or business to sustain us in what we do.
Brando journey literally almost ended his life.
I’m 27 now. I’ve spent the last seven or so years exploring the world across the Greenland ice cap.
Flagged around Vancouver Island.
Cycled across the deserts of Australia.
And you know all of that time I have been.
In shaping myself into the person that I am today and that has taught me so many very very valuable life lessons that I hope to be able to pass on to others.
I was really interested to hear about that.
I think he was growing.
There’s really a life changing experience when you want to walk around the coast of New Zealand and you went through a gorge and somebody opened the dam and it.
It really looked like you were actually.
Review the final curtains.
That was a pretty crazy experience for me, I.
Was still so.
Young and I think that’s something that a lot of us don’t realize.
You know, at 19 years old, we’re still children.
We still are still making sense of the world, especially in today’s modern age, where, let’s be honest, teachers aren’t the greatest at teaching about.
The way life is.
Is and so you know.
There I was.
Paddling down a river and the damn got opened at the top and I just I got totally destroyed and throwing out of my raft and pushed to the very bottom.
And suddenly you know.
I was without oxygen.
I couldn’t breathe like I couldn’t get back to the surface.
I was like clawing my way up trying to get back there and I reached a point down into the water where I just I I I guess I.
Stop trying to get back to the surface I I came to terms with the fact this was the end and blacked out underneath the water, but in that in that kind of it was probably only a few moments but felt like forever and in that time you know everything changed water became warm it became.
Clear and all blue and lots of colors and and I just remember thinking.
Well first of all crap, crap, crap, crap crap.
I’m drowning, but then then second.
Of all, like just.
Just just relaxing into the fact that it can’t change everything.
You can’t control every aspect of your life and and that’s that’s where I was under there at the mercy of nature and blacked out.
Woke up pretty quickly after on the on the side of the river.
Coughing, spluttering up water like the only explanation that I had, was that.
Uh, when I had relaxed when I decided to stop trying to pull myself back to the surface, I got pulled to the bottom underneath the log that I was kind of pinned up against, and then my life jacket brought me back to the surface.
But you know, as I just said, that taught me that you can’t control everything.
In life and and the things that you can control when you have the when you’re able to control them, you should.
And if you don’t, then you’re at the mercy of whatever happens next.
Like I, I was actually thinking today.
As I was driving home from work that absolutely everything we do in our lives is a decision.
And if we choose to do nothing, that’s still a choice that we’ve made.
And so I think action creates reaction and so every action should have purpose and should have a lot of thought put into it.
Even if it’s a a very last minute or last moment scenario.
With Theo risk element, how do you approach that differently now to say that first adventure you went on?
Around the coast of New Zealand, how do you treat the order of risk differently now there you go.
Now you only have lines and things you always dreamed all that kind of stuff is happening between is it affected you in types of risks you prepared to take?
You know it’s it’s a very interesting question, ’cause the longer you are in an environment, the more comfortable you become and you know it’s it’s a very fine line between.
Complacent and comfortable.
So I I’m very aware of my limitations and I would say that I have a lot of common sense when it comes to to doing a lot of things and to the outsider it may look like I’m an absolute nut job trying to do some really stupid and crazy.
Things, but in reality the realm that I choose to explore my life through is the place that I feel most comfortable, you know.
I I think it’s riskier for me to be stuck behind a computer or behind a desk because I’ll get depressed and and like I can’t get out of that.
Whereas if I’m hiking down the river and there’s a waterfall and I need to get out.
Of the river.
And walk around the waterfall.
That’s totally all within my control.
There is an element of risk that I might become out of control, but it’s a lot less risky in my own life than it would to be trapped by the societal driven system that you know.
A lot of people choose to live their lives with.
Do you think that it?
It’s better to maybe put in element of risk in those things.
We might to spice things up and to find ourselves.
Or is it more about the rewards of where you’ve reaped as a result of that?
For me, I understand that life is about sensations and experiences, so feeling things and like emotions and feelings and so do the things that you love and do.
The things that make you excited, do the things that make you sad.
Do the things that make you angry.
Life is about living lights, not about.
Waiting for life to happen, and so it’s just like this is classic ’cause it’s like a Nike thing.
Just do it like honestly, just do it.
Just do not a sponsor, but you know if you want to sponsor me.
You know I am, I’m Brenda.
It’s honestly just a matter of acting.
Action creates reaction, whether it be positive, negative.
That’s totally up to your choosing.
So you’ve taken a lot of risks on these journeys and.
Obviously they’ve panned out.
You’re here today to tell the stories of them, but are there any that you’d say that it was too much of a risk?
Like, even when you’re in the bottom of a damn blacking out the reward from that has still been great because it’s that change in perspective.
Yeah, you know that that first journey.
The difference between perceived risk and real risk was nonexistent.
I was naive.
You know, I was 19 years old.
I had no idea what I was.
Storing and so you know that journey taught me a lot about you know, risk control and and whether it is a good time to take a risk and not.
I also have ADHD which you know governs my impulse control on in a big way.
So the way that I describe it is my brain.
Operates with a Ferrari engine.
But has bicycle brakes.
So when when **** hits the fan my brain is just getting started and my brain operates so smoothly and the most crazy stressful like environmental disasters like that’s that’s where I’m thriving.
That’s where I’m really just.
The best version of myself, but when it’s slow and when I have to wait for things and that’s dangerous for me.
That’s really dangerous because that’s when my mind starts to wander.
That’s when I start to get bored and and not paying attention and and so.
It’s my belief in understanding that humanity wouldn’t be where we are today without the modern idea of ADHD.
You know the ADHD as of today are the ones that decided, hey, maybe there’s something outside of this cave.
Should we go and explore?
And I I think it’s just a it’s my.
My brain is suited.
For craziness, my brain is suited for for the life that I’ve chosen to live.
It’s interesting that you spoke about the difference in the way your brain parades, as we will be.
Once I think for myself from my own experience, if I go too quickly that feels dangerous to me.
But you’re saying for yourself if you go too slowly, it feels dangerous.
Yeah, and and I think like I’m I’m very lucky to have not gone right, gone crazily off the rails at some point and.
Hit a wall.
Because I’ve been very lucky to be where I am today to have all my limbs.
And to not be dead from my own doing so.
With all that experience comes, you know, the the knowledge of.
Uh, I guess the the realm of what I do a I can see a risk.
It’s it’s crazy, you know like I see risks absolutely everywhere when I come back from my trips all I see is risks like everything I look at.
I have like by the time you’ve identified the plant, I’ve already gone through every single planets all around it.
For different ways their plan could kill you.
The different things that plan could do for you like it.
Well, like I see it, my brain is is OP.
Raiding very, very fast and it it deals with a lot of information and when it’s the right kind of information and it’s directed all in the right hyper focused way it is, I’m unstoppable.
You know, I I, I see myself as a superhero with a really long Cape that sometimes gets caught in the bushes and that’s my gift.
ADHD is my.
Gift, but it’s also got that Cape that gets caught.
What would you say to somebody else who is kind of weighing up the benefit of?
Do I do something?
Is this too risky?
Is from both.
It’s hard to separate, isn’t it the ADHD perspective or more neurotypical perspective like?
Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean.
And I do have the perspective that you that you’re after you know everyone has moments of ADHD in their life.
So although although I’m not neurotypical, I am also neurotypical but neurodiverse at the same time.
You know, it’s like I’m not some crazy alien.
I’m still human.
Yeah, you know, like within reason I would never regret taking a risk because if it doesn’t come to like us.
Since then, the failure is a success in the sense of you’ve learned, and you can do it differently. Next time you know, life is about learning life’s about sensations and experiences, and so life would be pretty boring if we were safe all of the time and and you look at the the most successful businesses all around the world.
So from a business sense, like those business owners did not get where they are without taking risks and from an adventure sense, adventurers do.
Not get to reap the rewards of like accomplishment and you know without taking risks.
So I I would.
I would always say take the risk the the one thing that you have to analyze is is this going to cause me loss of life?
Is this going to cause someone else?
Loss of life?
Is it worth it?
In the sense of you have to ask yourself what have I got to lose and what do the people around me have to lose by this?
But you know, I don’t think you should ever have something that holds you back from a sense of fear.
I mean yes, fear is really good.
But there’s a difference between perceived risk and real risk, and that’s something we all have to go out there to discover.
And the only way you know the difference is by experiencing real risk and perceived risk.
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Would you say that the baseline qualifier for any risk you take is whether it does or doesn’t harm yourself or somebody else?
Yeah, and I mean, that’s that’s also subjective, because all of my adventures have caused me both psychological and physical harm.
But that harm has then gone on to provide growth, and it actually became almost an addiction for me to push myself to my breaking point, I would push and I would push.
Now push until I could not go any more physically.
Could not go anymore because I wanted to know how far I could push myself mentally, how, how much I actually had in me.
And that’s just that.
Same idea of wanting to know how powerful I really am as a human and how powerful we all can be if we put our mind to whatever it is that we are.
Trying to accomplish.
The concept of risk is something we’re all familiar with, and we usually associate it with things like whether something will threaten our safety or our livelihoods.
Brando, the concept of risk is very different as he highlighted referring to certain elements of his Australian trek that struck him in other thankfully non life threatening ways.
So you can’t go on a journey like a.
Big exploration journey every moment of every day and something like mental health.
Depression is something that I think it’s it’s always active as something to take care of.
Once we start experiencing it, so how do you?
How do you do with the down time?
How do you keep?
At the Black dog away.
You know the the Black dog has been biting at my heels for a very long time.
Every time they come back from a trip it was.
It was always the post expedition Blues and you know.
It would last.
Anywhere from 2 weeks to a month, or pretty much until I went on my next adventure.
And when I got back from.
Australia, you know, it was just pretty COVID and it was just like.
Uh, I was told to be completely fair.
I was like so shocked and surprised.
You know, I went to Australia, kind of romanticizing what it would be like to travel through the Outback and meet, you know, the Aboriginal people and their communities.
And I was just shocked to be fair, like going through some of those communities and seeing third world like.
Poverty I’d made me absolutely sick and disgusted, and I’m someone who’s very emotionally Intune, not only with nature but with.
You know the people of the land.
I understand their way of thinking, not because I’ve been taught, but because I’ve spent so much time surrounded by nature.
You know, I understand the language that that is just energetically around us and so that whole journey progressively got more and more depressing for me and.
You know I started him.
State point which was crazy wild like there’s no one really out there through the middle of Australia.
There’s no one at all.
And you know, there’s some places that I, I guess, would be completely untouched.
You know, like no one had any reason to ever go there.
And here I am, riding my bike just through like mulga.
Country and over sand dunes.
And it was just so.
Surreal and so wild and so natural.
And then I got closer and closer to civilization first there was fences and there was roads and rubbish and cars and pollution and then you know it was the the crazy bushfires ideal.
There’s smoke everywhere and you know, it just really affirmed this humans destroying the planet.
Mentality that governs a lot of forts in in both my life and and a lot of people lives and I finished in Byron Bay, which I thought was like this real spiritual place until I got there and realized it’s.
Like spiritual tourism.
Never a truer sentence has been said.
And it was just, it was just quite quite sad.
And so it took me a good year to really recover from that journey.
And to realize that I needed to stop, they needed to stop these big adventures, at least for for the time being and.
And you know it, it wasn’t a matter of not wanting to go out there, it was a matter of teaching myself and and I guess learning to be OK without going out on these big adventures because it’s.
It’s like it’s one thing to it’s just escapism in a really extreme way.
And and and that’s what it had been for me.
I was running away from reality, and those journeys were my version of reality at the time.
But they were not sustainable for my body and.
I couldn’t do that many that often, so here I am now and I I can comfortably say after almost a year and a half of not being on an expedition that I’ve learned to manage the Black dog and keep it in its kennel for.
For long periods of time and it’s through name.
Picture I took elements of things that I learned on all of my journeys and I’ve kind of integrated them into my life.
And it’s just really simple things.
I learned to shoot a bow and arrow on my first journey and I took the breathing element from shooting a bow and arrow to calming my mind because in order to hit your target you have to have a clear mind.
You have to be breathing.
You have to let the arrow go at the perfect time with your breath, otherwise it’s not going to hit its target.
And so I thought of my emotions and my feelings exactly the same way I need to stop before I attack before I shoot and take a breath, calm my mind and then make a decision or then take the shot.
And for me that was a really big one as having that realization that you can.
Pretty much go for me.
I could flip the coin and take everything that I had learned and applied into my life out there, which it was like keeping me alive everyday into life as everyone knows it and use it to.
Keep out the negative vibes and keep positive ones, but like it, it would be wrong of me to say that negative vibes aren’t gonna come because it’s just part of life.
You know bad things happen and you have to deal with them.
Just like on my adventures.
Sometimes it would rain and I I couldn’t click my fingers and make it stop.
And you know I would have wet.
Yeah, for weeks and I just had to deal with that.
I think that throughout my whole life I have become more and more resilient right from the time I was born through school.
Struggling with my idea.
Day and and that really prepared me for the lifestyle that I’ve chosen to live for the last seven years.
And it’s prepared me for the lifestyle that I’m living right now, but I can happily say that I am to my own liking at this point in time.
In this version of myself.
Which is a great place to be, Brando, I’m.
Just wondering like I.
Remove it, you have a very big respect from venture.
After you know all the adventures.
Have been on what?
Would be the most vital things that you’ve integrated to help keep the dog away.
Uh, you know, just that connection with nature it’s so simple, it’s like.
I think we.
As humans really overcomplicate a lot of things and.
If you strip all the layers away and look at yourself as an animal, you know as a as a primal animal because that’s what we are when when you take away the like the mind and and everything we think we know because someone else has told us we’re just animals and animals need nature.
Animals need water.
Animals need food.
Animals need nature, and so, like a classic examples right now I’m on this interview sitting in the grass.
I’m like I’ve got the Bush behind me and it’s like it’s.
Did I hear a horse earlier?
Yeah you did.
You know it, it is truly just a matter of having a relationship with the natural world and that will change so many elements of your life.
You know, not not just your mental Wellness, but you know we’re in this really tricky stage.
As as as like humanity as a whole where the planet is being destroyed.
And it’s not because we don’t want to save it, it’s because we don’t know what we’re actually.
Losing, you know if everyone knew how important and how powerful and how special nature was in in the level that say someone like myself understands it from being a part of it for so long it it wouldn’t even be a question.
It would just be like a no brainer like why are we doing this?
Like it’s just.
We need nature and it doesn’t need us.
Would you say that the way the perception of Baby Brando has changed to 27 year old Brando is the message was go out and change your life but now it’s go inside and change your life.
Yeah, and I think it’s important that you you begin where where I began because if you try and go.
Straighten your gonna meet some real seriously scary dark demons and you have to put yourself in the right environment to deal with a lot of things.
And so baby Brando went out because he had no idea what was going on.
He was lost.
He was confused and he was just doing anything that he could to feel good.
Dopamine heat seeking rocket ship.
That’s what Brando was and so now that I’ve.
Growing up, you know, and I’ve got another seven or eight years of experience with what I do and and how I’ve learned to connect with myself.
It’s definitely a matter of going in, but not in the sense that you know don’t follow the crowd because you have to have your own way of doing things, and you know, I’ve tried all the different things yoga.
Meditation, and they’re all really great practice is to have, but you need to integrate your own practices into your life that suit you and align with your goals in your own values.
And that’s one of the most important things is that it’s of your choosing.
And if it’s not of your choosing, then you’re just living somebody elses idea.
What are some of the best things of humanity that you’ve seen on these journeys?
God, that’s there’s a very, very good question.
And you know, on my first journey I, you know, I didn’t know my neighbor growing up.
In fact, my neighbor probably thought I was deranged like Devil Child and always screaming.
And you know, got tasered on the roof by the police once for not coming down.
I was honestly like they could have made a movie about how bad I was.
Growing up or how lost and confused, it’s quite sad when I really think about it, but.
Uhm, meeting people along the way at the beginning of that journey around New Zealand, you know I was very much to myself.
Don’t you know don’t need your food, don’t need your accommodation?
Thank you but no.
Thank you, but.
Then I realize you know that these people are people and they want to help me for no reason other than it’s gonna make them feel good.
And so the.
The human element around New Zealand people cooking me meals inviting me in for cups of tea and giving me a bid to stay in the night.
You know that restored my faith in humanity it it actually gave me faith in humanity when I went to camp.
Said I was part of this really cool project called Co Extinction and they are making a film kind of highlighting all the really destructive things that are going on in the environment and how it’s affecting the Southern resident orca, whales and and Vancouver around Vancouver Island.
And when you put yourself in an environment.
That is really healthy.
You start drawing in all those kinds of people as well in.
And so, seeing all of the people around me in my life, changing.
Not necessarily because of what I was doing, but some of them directly because of what I was doing.
You know, seeing that was just like totally mind-blowing?
That by me living my best life and by me choosing to be the person that I was and just.
Just loving you know I was having an effect on other people and another really really powerful moment was there’s this guy.
Actually I met in the Outback of Australia and he was in the middle of nowhere, just this little tiny shack on the edge of this dust Rd.
Code and WA and he had all these little sacs all out on the fence, like probably about 30 or 40 sacks and end of them was Kangaroos that had rescued, like little joeys, and he like he’s always forever going to be the kangaroo man, and he made me a sandwich and there was like this little.
Well, little Kangaroos jumping around everywhere.
And you know, there’s just people like that.
People that are just decided to escape the rat race to remove themselves from what’s expected of us because it’s what everyone else is doing and is just living their own life and it’s so inspiring for me to see that because that’s what I’ve chosen to do and you know, it’s it’s like I’m different.
You’re different you.
You’re both different.
We’re all different.
So why are we trying to live the same?
I’m just curious because you’re talking a lot about the positive experience of her with humans and how.
Much you are.
Inspired by human contact along the way on your adventures, but also earlier when you were talking about as.
You’re coming back in.
Two, you will be classified civilization.
You saw the destruction and the negative impact that we’re having.
On the planet.
So I’m just curious to ask whether you think there is a.
Way we can.
Cut through to people so they understand without preaching to the inverted or without coming across as completely negatives.
What do you think would be the best?
Message to give people to say hey, this is actually really important.
You can make a difference.
It’s a very, very hard question to answer, but I think it’s as simple as as you just put it, reach out and and tell them, hey, you can really make a difference and.
Even if they say at the time, like I don’t care about that, like I don’t like whatever it doesn’t matter.
It’s not my.
It’s not my life later on you know all that stuff.
It just means they weren’t ready to hear the message yet.
But you’ve given them the message, and when the right environment comes around them then they will hear that message, and when all of the people around them.
Start changing, then change will start happening, but like when I was in school.
One thing I do remember was.
Being told lots and lots.
Well, first of all that I had potential.
But but second of all that, my generation was the future of change, and that’s something that I always remember, and something that stuck with me because I I want to be the future of change, because that’s that’s what I was told as a child.
And now you go into school and teachers are telling the same thing to the kids.
And it’s true because every generation is the generation to change.
But like we have a responsibility here to teach the younger generation.
The older generation that the things that have been going on aren’t OK and we can all see the global shift the global change.
Like it’s happening, everything is happening, it’s just not as fast as social media operates.
It’s it is happening though, and then in the whole scheme of the world and life.
It’s it’s happening at a pretty fast rate, considering how old the earth is.
I’ll let you in the middle.
When I was about seven years old, I was visiting my grandmother and she was born in.
And the neighbor said.
To her freedom, we’ve really stuffed up the earth.
It’s up to his generation to fix it.
I think we’re hearing this story for a while.
I I don’t want to be pessimistic, but I I do think what you’re seeing is that we are, I think, starting to get to a tipping point.
It does feel like we’re getting to a point now where people asked intent, greater awareness on an everyday level rather than this high level.
Been talking about for years.
Yeah, that’s like a very interesting point, but the one thing that I kinda have amongst that I mean humanity, is great.
Don’t get me wrong, in humans are awesome, but the Earth doesn’t need us, and the Earth’s going to carry on without us, and it’s only a matter of time.
You know, we’re we’re not going to live forever, just as dinosaurs didn’t live forever, but the Earth won’t live forever.
And like the least we can do is while we’re here and make it last as long as we can, and I.
Think that’s so so?
People in the sense of connecting with nature.
I’m going to come back to connecting with nature because if you love the environment you live in, you’re not gonna treat it wrong.
So to jump back and re answer that question about, you know they’re trying to share that message.
It’s not about sharing the message, it’s about enabling nature to give its own message.
It’s about helping people to reconnect and to build a relationship with, you know, with the thing that’s keeping us all alive.
And I’m here with you.
I’m talking about connecting to nature that that’s really important.
And when you speak.
I can hear a great deal of gratitude in your voice and for everything for life, humanity, the planet to me like that’s one of the keys to living a happy life, is to find that gratitude.
So how do you daily do that?
What are the other processors?
Because that doesn’t just happen you.
Have to work.
I know you definitely have to work on that and and for me that looks like making sure I spend at least.
10 minutes and nature everyday.
And you know that can be that can be as.
Simple as going.
For a walk through the Bush or going for a walk along the beach, going for us from.
Just like formulating that that that small thing that you do every day.
Which reminds you in between the times that you can really go out and connect where you can go camping.
Or hiking and and really having a more in depth one.
But you know, that’s obviously not an option for everyone.
A like a lot of the time and and so I develop other things in my life that helped me to get through the day today.
And that for me looks like routine.
So physical exercise I get up in the morning.
I have a bowl of oats every morning.
I have the same brick.
First it might sound really boring, but like sometimes I put different fruit in it, which is really exciting when they do that.
But it’s it’s just about creating like a structured routine that you can follow.
We’re creatures of habit.
Humans are creatures of habit and.
So if you create habits in your life that are positive and will continue to help you grow and change in the direction that you want to or stay the version of yourself that you are that is going to help you to stay away from the black dog per southeast.
But when the black dog does.
Come if you have that routine and if you have that structure then.
Then you can tell the Black dog to go back to go back to bed or sit down, and it’s it’s not as scary as if your life is is totally out of control and you’re just kind of living from experience to experience without having any say on what that experience is.
Because we have the choice of experience or we have.
With the choice of random experience.
And so it’s like totally up to us at the end of the day, we control, uh, a large portion of the outcome of our life and it’s just a.
Matter of doing it.
What’s your next adventure?
My next adventure that has.
A very very very very.
Good question, I’m I I’m still kind of in this process.
Of change like I feel like I’ve been in the cocoon for the last two years and I’m finally spreading my wings but I I really want to take everything that I’ve learned and I want to share those messages.
So what that will look like as as me visiting schools and and sharing my story?
And I’m really just empowering kids to grab their life.
And live their dreams.
Chase their bliss.
Step into their power and like do the things that they love because that’s what it’s all about.
You know doing the things that make you happy.
Do the things that you’re interested in.
But in terms of like a big outdoor adventure.
It is like.
A list it’s a mile long.
I’d love to ride across Mongolia on horseback, but who knows we.
Should not be able to do that.
And and lots of kayaking.
Lots of lots of really cool stuff and and you know, in the next few years I’ll most likely start a family with with my partner and.
And there will.
Be a whole new adventure of its own for short.
I’m just feeling overwhelmed with inspiration now like.
It’s been really.
I know he’s so lovely, you’re so lovely Brando.
Great, having a chat, you know it’s.
Well, thank you very much.
Very happy to have spoke to you today.
And I thank.
You for the opportunity.
I would love to see an updated Ted talk.
Get get all those.
Yeah, I would love to do one, like maybe not.
A youth either like a proper one.
Yes, so much to share now that it wasn’t in that one and so much more life experience.
I think it can reach a lot of people and I I really respect.
That I I can imagine that almost everybody that you interact with walks away feeling a little bit better that day.
So I I really respect that.
Well, that is the goal that is the goal.
Leave everything a little better than you found it.
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